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Demographics: Size & Shape

Everyone knows I love demographics. Understanding sizing and shape trends and anomalies is the key to creating a succesful ready-to-wear range that actually sells.  All too often design houses use hand me down standard size tables with no real appreciation of their target audience. I often use examples like a size 10 teenager being a completely different shape to a size 10 senior citizen, or the variation in shape increasing disproportionately with increasing size interval to demonstrate how carefully you need to examine for whom you’re designing.

Over the last few years on my site I’ve been gradually accumulating the data collected in the Lazy Person’s Pattern section. Now this collection hasn’t been about identifying the size characteristics of a particular group by age, interest or whatever … it’s plain and simply a record of anyone visting the site who want’s a pattern made by my server. Of the well over 35,000 measurement sets entered so far, many have been rejected by the statistical filter system we use to remove perculiarities (people experimenting with the system, men trying to use the womens pattern, etc) leaving me with around 27,000 results that I can be fairly sure are representative of adult women typing in what they really believe they measure.  The filter (designed by a statitics major and myself) initially runs over 50 comparitive tests to analyse each measurement set for anomolies like arms being longer than legs, arms being proportionately too long compared to legs outside a number of deviations, underbust being greater than bust or very large underbusts with ever so slightly larger bust (yes guys we know who you are) when compared to small waists and even smaller hips, etc. It’s very sophisticated but still runs the risk of eliminating real data believing it to be erroneous. The system then runs more statistical tests on the kept data and works out means and deviations … the previously rejected data is then retested against the deviations and either accepted back or rejected forever. Sounds very complicated, but what we’re left with is a huge collection of measurement sets that we can be sure are safe to use in our demographics studies … a collection that I should point out is the single largest private (non-govt) study of female size demographics in world history!! The only proviso to this is that the collection does not include the much larger body sizes which make up 0.05% of the entire population (my historical understanding based on sales figures and can be confirmed by statistical prediction models).  I’m sure some people will argue that some of my filters are unreasonable as well, but they need to understand that only tiny percentages are disqualified while leaving the filter open could potentially cause significant contamination by false data. None of the filters prevent people from getting patterns made by the server … they just decide (twice a week) what data gets kept by the server and what gets rejected.

The main problem I believe my system has is that it’s only as accurate as each person’s ability to take measurements. This is very significant in my opinion. I’ve seen a group of students each measure the same person and come up with wildly varying results. I’ve also had a big problem with metric versus imperial. Most of the world uses the metric system, but (mostly) Americans still haven’t found the 21st century yet as far as measuring goes. The problem comes when they try to convert their measurements by multiplying by either 2, 2.4, 2.5 or 2.54 (yes I’ve had people tell me all of these!!) or worst of all they just enter their measurements in inches and expect the system to work it out, which it doesn’t of course.  Unfortunately there’s not much I can do to solve this problem.  People also tend to round to the nearest half inch when using imperial which can cause a much bigger error than when rounding to the nearest half centimeter (think about it!).

A perfect study would use a fixed team of measurers trained in a particular technique and who can be tested to produce consistent results. I can’t do this via the website.

So why am I bringing all this up? Because I thought it would be interesting to actually do a study of measurements in a comparative manner in the hope of trying to  identify shape variations across the size categories … with the eventual aim of trying to find a better system for ready-to-wear sizing. An example might be comparing nape to waist against arm length … is this a constant value, a small envelope or a wide envelope? Does the golden 1.61803399 ratio really apply to leg length verses arm length? Are there constant relationships between other measurements? Most of all, can specific shapes be identified by specific comparitive values … eg; is there a direct relationship between back width and underbust when it comes to a degree of stooping and could the ratio/constant be applied to a new patternmaking rule?

You see, many people find one pattern making system (block/sloper drafting technique) works better than another. This may well be because the system was developed around a limited sample size, hence specific body shape (mine certainly was in the early days). By finding a relationship between comparitive measurements, hence shape and then ultimately system, we may well be able to create an all encompassing system … nice dream huh? Maybe it’s the fever I’m running again or maybe I’m having an epiphany (wiki: the sudden realization or comprehension of the essence or meaning of something). 

I’d love to hear peoples comments on this one. There’s so much to comment on really: ready to wear sizing problems, vanity sizing, pattern making systems, observations, measuring problems … the list could go on forever, so step up people and have your voice heard …

Ok maybe it’s the fever :-)

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7 comments to Demographics: Size & Shape

  • AJ

    “I’m still looking for the relationships between measurements and shape as I do not believe all women fit clearly into five or less specific shapes, but instead have features that vary in degree from a norm and there’s a realtionship between this and shape … the shape/variation in each area dictating how the block should be made in this area.”

    Yah, this is what I believe as well. I think there should be one way of accounting for everyone but then again who knows, I do not have the proper understanding of human physiology and what can cause some muscles to grow while others shrink and some bones to be high while others are wide or low. Zuzana feels as you do and that is her intense passion. For the column we wanted to do lots of women but it’s a time constraint thing for us and the volunteers. At the very least we hope to offer the home sewers some kind of way of deciding what book they will buy so that they don’t just buy what their friend did and then have discouraging results.

    “Eventually the computer should be able to identify the variances and automatically adjust the entire block making system. I forsee a future in which a person walks into a body scanner and picks up a complete set of blocks as they walk out of the scanner a few seconds later.”

    They have the scanners at lots of big schools now. I think the Bunka dressforms are remade every 2 years using the average data of all of the previous 2 year’s students.

  • Stuart

    I’ve only recently found out about this book too (just a few days ago actually) and I’d be interested in taking a look. I’m always skeptical, however, of anyone who says they’ve simplified something and yet made it better fit more numerable figure shapes and sizes. We all know that a better fit comes only from a custom made garment … and ready to wear is simply about the degree of compromise each designer accepts. I like that they suggest the figure of the 21st century woman is different to that of the past and that they’re looking at shape rather than size.

    I’m still looking for the relationships between measurements and shape as I do not believe all women fit clearly into five or less specific shapes, but instead have features that vary in degree from a norm and there’s a realtionship between this and shape … the shape/variation in each area dictating how the block should be made in this area. Eventually the computer should be able to identify the variances and automatically adjust the entire block making system. I forsee a future in which a person walks into a body scanner and picks up a complete set of blocks as they walk out of the scanner a few seconds later.

    Of course, due to the compromise nature of ready-to-wear, none of these systems are really as relevant as we’d like to think they are. Individual designers will deliberately appeal to specific shapes in their own standard size intervals so as to lock in repeat customers … a case of economics really.

    Thanks for the link … I may just have to order it for intellectual curiosity!

  • Have a look at http://fashiondesignsystem.com.au/. I haven’t seen any more than what is on the website, but the Fashion Technicians Association of Australia is holding some workshops early next year. I’m tempted to go.

  • AJ

    Stuart, this is very exciting! On our website we are starting to undertake a huge comparison of all the different pattern making methods for exactly the reason you said: that they fit different body types. We are doing fitting shells in for 20-25 methods (20 are picked so far) and on 5 different body types (average pre-babies, petite stocky, curvy and fit mid 50′s, a larger woman and I don’t remember the 5th type). The woman who is heading the project is very very interested in all of this and will be taking the research further on her own by doing an indepth analysis of why each method uses the steps and tricks they do. Anyway, I’ve sent this post to her, I’m sure she’ll drool over your graphs :) It would be very exciting to find a method that can draft for each body. The method I learned from an old Persian woman who said it is her and her mother’s (deceased) own modifications to an old french method is pretty accurate at getting a close fit but requires a **lot** of measurements and unfortunately does not work so well for pear-shaped people who have a significantly smaller bust than hip — a lot of liberties must be taken to adjust the method as you are drafting for them.

  • frillyjanejoe

    This is sooooooo awesome. I came looking for a standard sizing chart and just WOW. Thank you so much

  • Stuart

    Here’s a few more scatter graphs showing relatively linear relationships. There is an odd downward curve effect in the top end of underbust scale … not sure what’s causing this but it’s only a tiny percentage of the total.

  • Stuart

    I’ve just imported all the data into MS Access and I’m playing around with scatter graphs as they give a good visual representation of data. The graph below shows the relationship between waist to bust and nape to waist. While there is a lot of scatter, there appears to be an initial linear relationship (I reresented it in a red envelope) … what do you think? The linear relationship according to MS Access is 2.5009:1 with a standard deviation of 0.09.

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